Comments on: Effexor Withdrawal - The Final Step http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/ Simple Living... Frugality... Gardening... Cooking From Scratch... Knifty Knitter Projects.. And More. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:05:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Helena Stam http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13721 Helena Stam Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:36:46 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13721 Helena here-hello to you all. Was thinking about Joan's comments re sciatica and disc-it does have to do with age and is fairly widespread in the community-I have spinal stenosis, narrowing of spinal thingey-plus aching feet with bunions and heel spurs. I was very depressed when I got the mri results, the doctor did not say much except to recommend a surgeon! This was some years ago, and when I asked if physio would help he said yes! Why didn't he say so immediately??? Knowing my body was degenerating was very depressing, and it took some months before I started to accept that this was it for me-no improvements possible to bones etc., unless I did some exercises and moved in a way that lessened pain. So went to physio, got some exercises to do. Forgotten some of them, but a couple I do almost daily and they help. Re feet-happened to see in local paper (again some years ago) the local uni wanting volunteers for heel spur study-was I lucky to get into that! Got free testing of shoe inserts, was told of the one that is good for me, and have used it since. Unfortunately cannot wear "nice" shoes-by that I mean I now wear size 10W (wide) sneakers with the shoe insert. My heel pain has gone. Only problem is the cost of shoes-$170 and inserts are $50. However-can walk without pain most times!!!! Also got myself a treat this year- a pair of red boots-did I feel wonderful. The inserts fit, the boots are comfortable-but would you believe have only worn them once this year and summer is coming. Back to Joan and sciatica-also had that many years ago-fortunately found an acupuncturist-bulk billing as well! and it only needed about 4 visits and pain was gone. With all these physical problems have learnt there are ways to move, bend, sit. Found sitting in lounge chair no good-usually a kitchen chair is excellent and having a telephone book under feet also helpful. Plus putting feet up-which i forget to do often! I don't think the effexor would have had an effect truly on your pain levels. Depending on your age, can you join some gym? Again depends on age, but some local centres in Melbourne have very good subsidised memberships and you can very slowly get some mobility in all your body-and that will make you feel better. You mentioned Endone and the other, which is almost morphine-these are habit forming. Has your doctor recommended any physio at all??? You may never get back your mobility-but just finding some activity that takes away some of the pain is so good and you can maybe lessen your dosage. Recently had to go to hospital by ambulance-had what I call a "back attack"-only received morphine tablets, & codeine -sent home. Came home, no pain, but woozy, and by myself. Managed to knock into a chair in loungeroom, fell against fireplace, skinned my thigh which bled, then went to bed-all with no pain! Still had local gp come out for more pain killers, but after 1 week or so, all ok. Joan, you probably have arthritis as well-check phone book and write to them for information on how to live with it. Good stuff. Joan, I know it sound like the end of the world-everything seems to be going wrong. See if you can be like me-upset, but coming to grips with the fact that your body is "falling apart"-you can still breathe, you can read, you can enjoy the sunshine, you can join some self help group- YOU ARE STILL ALIVE- ENJOY IT PLEASE. I found a local drop in centre, it saved my life-3 days a week attending and volunteering, meeting people with mental illnesses (some of them), sorting clothes, chatting, finding things in common, seeing an older lady who has been attending literacy and maths classes, she also does art, and has paid for her own motorised wheelchair otherwise she would be stuck at home. These wonderful people I have met have meant that even if I feel a bit stiff and sore, I know I will feel better going out-even with some pain. AND I KNOW ABOUT FEELING SORRY FOR MYSELF-NOTHING LIKE A WHINGE AND A CRY WHICH OF COURSE I HAVE DONE-BUT ONLY VERY RARELY NOW. - There are people out there who seem to enjoy my company, so out I go. Please check with your doctor about physio and stick to it-pain goes after a month or so of regular exercise. Hugs and kisses to all, and especially to you, dear Joan., Helena at Reservoir (Vic) Helena here-hello to you all. Was thinking about Joan’s comments re sciatica and disc-it does have to do with age and is fairly widespread in the community-I have spinal stenosis, narrowing of spinal thingey-plus aching feet with bunions and heel spurs. I was very depressed when I got the mri results, the doctor did not say much except to recommend a surgeon! This was some years ago, and when I asked if physio would help he said yes! Why didn’t he say so immediately??? Knowing my body was degenerating was very depressing, and it took some months before I started to accept that this was it for me-no improvements possible to bones etc., unless I did some exercises and moved in a way that lessened pain. So went to physio, got some exercises to do. Forgotten some of them, but a couple I do almost daily and they help. Re feet-happened to see in local paper (again some years ago) the local uni wanting volunteers for heel spur study-was I lucky to get into that! Got free testing of shoe inserts, was told of the one that is good for me, and have used it since. Unfortunately cannot wear “nice” shoes-by that I mean I now wear size 10W (wide) sneakers with the shoe insert. My heel pain has gone. Only problem is the cost of shoes-$170 and inserts are $50. However-can walk without pain most times!!!! Also got myself a treat this year- a pair of red boots-did I feel wonderful. The inserts fit, the boots are comfortable-but would you believe have only worn them once this year and summer is coming.
Back to Joan and sciatica-also had that many years ago-fortunately found an acupuncturist-bulk billing as well! and it only needed about 4 visits and pain was gone. With all these physical problems have learnt there are ways to move, bend, sit. Found sitting in lounge chair no good-usually a kitchen chair is excellent and having a telephone book under feet also helpful. Plus putting feet up-which i forget to do often! I don’t think the effexor would have had an effect truly on your pain levels. Depending on your age, can you join some gym? Again depends on age, but some local centres in Melbourne have very good subsidised memberships and you can very slowly get some mobility in all your body-and that will make you feel better.
You mentioned Endone and the other, which is almost morphine-these are habit forming. Has your doctor recommended any physio at all??? You may never get back your mobility-but just finding some activity that takes away some of the pain is so good and you can maybe lessen your dosage. Recently had to go to hospital by ambulance-had what I call a “back attack”-only received morphine tablets, & codeine -sent home. Came home, no pain, but woozy, and by myself. Managed to knock into a chair in loungeroom, fell against fireplace, skinned my thigh which bled, then went to bed-all with no pain! Still had local gp come out for more pain killers, but after 1 week or so, all ok. Joan, you probably have arthritis as well-check phone book and write to them for information on how to live with it. Good stuff.
Joan, I know it sound like the end of the world-everything seems to be going wrong. See if you can be like me-upset, but coming to grips with the fact that your body is “falling apart”-you can still breathe, you can read, you can enjoy the sunshine, you can join some self help group- YOU ARE STILL ALIVE- ENJOY IT PLEASE. I found a local drop in centre, it saved my life-3 days a week attending and volunteering, meeting people with mental illnesses (some of them), sorting clothes, chatting, finding things in common, seeing an older lady who has been attending literacy and maths classes, she also does art, and has paid for her own motorised wheelchair otherwise she would be stuck at home.
These wonderful people I have met have meant that even if I feel a bit stiff and sore, I know I will feel better going out-even with some pain.
AND I KNOW ABOUT FEELING SORRY FOR MYSELF-NOTHING LIKE A WHINGE AND A CRY WHICH OF COURSE I HAVE DONE-BUT ONLY VERY RARELY NOW. - There are people out there who seem to enjoy my company, so out I go.
Please check with your doctor about physio and stick to it-pain goes after a month or so of regular exercise.
Hugs and kisses to all, and especially to you, dear Joan.,
Helena at Reservoir (Vic)

]]> By: Joan Buckingham http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13699 Joan Buckingham Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:46:54 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13699 Well here I am off effexor completely for a month.And guess what ! I am having a lot of problems with Sciatica and disc degeneration pain now, feel sick most days worse than I ever did ...now on Oxycontin long acting opiate supposed to take one night and morning but I only take the morning one because these can be habit forming.( from the fat into the fire) Also have Endone for the really bad times. I have just found out that Effexor can be good for chronic pain.What does that mean....does it block it out mentally or physically ,I just sit and cry sometimes feel tired old and dare I say sorry for myself. SO what does this mean??? has it protected me all these years from this. I do NOT want to go back onto Effexor so what is the alternative. Is it the cart before the horse or the horse before the cart ??? that's how confused I feel. I am wondering if there is another antidepressant out there with few side effects that I can take that will control the pain but not control my life as effexor did. So sorry for venting on here but I know all of you will understand. I also hope Karen you are going ok and the rest of you. Take care sincerely Joan. Well here I am off effexor completely for a month.And guess what ! I am having a lot of problems with Sciatica and disc degeneration pain now, feel sick most days worse than I ever did …now on Oxycontin long acting opiate supposed to take one night and morning but I only take the morning one because these can be habit forming.( from the fat into the fire)

Also have Endone for the really bad times.
I have just found out that Effexor can be good for chronic pain.What does that mean….does it block it out mentally or physically ,I just sit and cry sometimes feel tired old and dare I say sorry for myself.

SO what does this mean??? has it protected me all these years from this.
I do NOT want to go back onto Effexor so what is the alternative.
Is it the cart before the horse or the horse before the cart ??? that’s how confused I feel.

I am wondering if there is another antidepressant out there with few side effects that I can take that will control the pain but not control my life as effexor did.

So sorry for venting on here but I know all of you will understand.
I also hope Karen you are going ok and the rest of you.

Take care sincerely Joan.

]]> By: admin http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13698 admin Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:00:48 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13698 Hi Helena, Thanks for your comments. I liked both of them and each had something different to offer other readers so I've published them both along with your explanation so people understand what is going on. If this bothers you, let me know and I'll delete whichever you'd like me to. I would definitely ask about the 37.5mg. I've also heard of people trying to take just half of those by tipping small amounts of the capsule out. I didn't bother with that. It does pass if it's simply side effects but, like me, you may need an alternative medication. I use cipramil now and have virtually no side effects even when moving up and down in the dosages. I haven't actually tried to come completely off of them though (and may never if they continue to work). I'm currently seeing a Mental Health Nurse and that's working well for me in terms of learning how to live with and manage the depression so I'm not 100% reliant on the medications (but they are still a part of my overall treatment). Hi Helena, Thanks for your comments. I liked both of them and each had something different to offer other readers so I’ve published them both along with your explanation so people understand what is going on. If this bothers you, let me know and I’ll delete whichever you’d like me to. I would definitely ask about the 37.5mg. I’ve also heard of people trying to take just half of those by tipping small amounts of the capsule out. I didn’t bother with that. It does pass if it’s simply side effects but, like me, you may need an alternative medication. I use cipramil now and have virtually no side effects even when moving up and down in the dosages. I haven’t actually tried to come completely off of them though (and may never if they continue to work). I’m currently seeing a Mental Health Nurse and that’s working well for me in terms of learning how to live with and manage the depression so I’m not 100% reliant on the medications (but they are still a part of my overall treatment).

]]> By: Helena Stam http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13697 Helena Stam Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:36:54 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13697 Hello, I did not think my first comment went through, so wrote another one-please delete one of them-whatever you think is suitable. Thanks, and apologies for the trouble. Hello, I did not think my first comment went through, so wrote another one-please delete one of them-whatever you think is suitable. Thanks, and apologies for the trouble.

]]> By: Helena Stam http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13696 Helena Stam Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:35:11 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13696 Hi, had trouble sending my first comment-so this is shortened. I was put on 150mg many years ago-and it was helpful. Stopped crying all the time, was able to work and remain ok in spite of all stresses at that time. Tried once to go cold turkey, ended up almost psychotic, and went back to same dose after initial 75mg dose. Now trying to get off permanently. Doctor is not much help, will have to go to my old doctor (another suburb) and hopefully will get better advice. My dose this week has been 75 and all feels ok. Have other stresses etc in my life-ageing, ill health, living alone since July with no "heavy" assistance. Seems if I do anything-like going shopping and bringing back too much, or mowing lawn, or taking garbage bins out, etc etc., need to rub some liniment into aching joints and have a nap. Have a mild headache this week, but this could be due to my smoking more. I volunteer 3 days a week, which gets me out of house and also some exercise, plus being with other people, some of who have similar problems. I do forget to take my vitamin pills every day, and even if it is a placebo effect, I do feel better. I also take osteo paracetamol (not regularly) which helps with sleep and aches. I see a counsellor for other issues: that is good because whilst he is not into medication, he is into relaxation, making me aware of what is possible/not possible and what I can do to get a positive outcome. I am worried when I get down to nothing! I get really bad brain zaps-i always think of them as brain wiring trying to connect to something. will have to check out the Seratonin Syndrome later. I have read the previous comments, and my heart goes out to all who have had serious issues. It is apparent the Australian mental health system is mainly into dosing rather than CBT (probably due to lack of govt practitioners and costs) for those who do not have private health insurance. Another thing I have learnt over the years-life is not always straight and placid-there are moments of pure happiness around, and I savour those, and when I feel really down, I always think of people worse off, and then I go and do something-keeping occupied if one has the time is really good-even stamp collecting, collecting recipes and using them, or for simpler things, get a couple of plants and look after them, and if you have garden space, try growing something easy (not good for me-vegetables quiver in fright when I come near them) so I just toss self seeding seeds into bare ground and lo and behold up come nice flowers. Again, thanks, and I will get back to you when I have lowered my dose. Love to you all. Hi, had trouble sending my first comment-so this is shortened. I was put on 150mg many years ago-and it was helpful. Stopped crying all the time, was able to work and remain ok in spite of all stresses at that time. Tried once to go cold turkey, ended up almost psychotic, and went back to same dose after initial 75mg dose.
Now trying to get off permanently. Doctor is not much help, will have to go to my old doctor (another suburb) and hopefully will get better advice.
My dose this week has been 75 and all feels ok. Have other stresses etc in my life-ageing, ill health, living alone since July with no “heavy” assistance. Seems if I do anything-like going shopping and bringing back too much, or mowing lawn, or taking garbage bins out, etc etc., need to rub some liniment into aching joints and have a nap. Have a mild headache this week, but this could be due to my smoking more. I volunteer 3 days a week, which gets me out of house and also some exercise, plus being with other people, some of who have similar problems. I do forget to take my vitamin pills every day, and even if it is a placebo effect, I do feel better. I also take osteo paracetamol (not regularly) which helps with sleep and aches.
I see a counsellor for other issues: that is good because whilst he is not into medication, he is into relaxation, making me aware of what is possible/not possible and what I can do to get a positive outcome.
I am worried when I get down to nothing! I get really bad brain zaps-i always think of them as brain wiring trying to connect to something. will have to check out the Seratonin Syndrome later.
I have read the previous comments, and my heart goes out to all who have had serious issues. It is apparent the Australian mental health system is mainly into dosing rather than CBT (probably due to lack of govt practitioners and costs) for those who do not have private health insurance.
Another thing I have learnt over the years-life is not always straight and placid-there are moments of pure happiness around, and I savour those, and when I feel really down, I always think of people worse off, and then I go and do something-keeping occupied if one has the time is really good-even stamp collecting, collecting recipes and using them, or for simpler things, get a couple of plants and look after them, and if you have garden space, try growing something easy (not good for me-vegetables quiver in fright when I come near them) so I just toss self seeding seeds into bare ground and lo and behold up come nice flowers. Again, thanks, and I will get back to you when I have lowered my dose. Love to you all.

]]> By: Helena Stam http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13695 Helena Stam Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:05:29 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13695 Hello to you all-I have been on effexor 150 for many years-cannot actually recall when I started-but the medication certainly helped in those early days. Psych tried higher doses, but the side effects horrific. Back then I was a "water pot" had so many family problems that as soon as someone enquired, I would start to cry. Even with strangers! However, tried to get off them some years ago-by going cold turkey-ended up with extremely severe brain zaps and total disorientation (and I was still working at that time), so went back on them. Have other stresses now-am 64 years old, not the best health, however, still want to do many things-and always have ideas on what/how to do new things. Have read since I was a toddler, so reading is a pleasure, but not good as no exercise involved! Am now trying to get off them completely. Now on 75 dose but need to find a doctor who understands the medication correctly. I did not know there was a 37.5 dose-my doctor did not mention that at all-simply wrote a script for lower and left it at that. I do take vitamin pills, and will try the fish oil-and also the paracetamol as mentioned in the beginning of this blog page. However, must admit I am scared of when I go off them totally-lowering to 75 has been ok-no zaps or anything as yet, and have had disturbed sleep due to being tired and napping during day-I have assumed this is due to my arthritis as I am on my own temporarily and have to do the "hard" labour around house-mowing lawn or washing windows is one activity that sends me to bed after some liniment rub on arms, etc. What I actually wanted to say is that this site gives me so much confidence-all you wonderful people out there are coping, so I assume I will be ok when I get to my old doctor and get good assistance. Also go to counsellor, but he is not into medication knowledge, but good for understanding my attitudes,problems, and ways of coping. Good luck to us all, and thanks again. Hugs and kisses. Hello to you all-I have been on effexor 150 for many years-cannot actually recall when I started-but the medication certainly helped in those early days. Psych tried higher doses, but the side effects horrific. Back then I was a “water pot” had so many family problems that as soon as someone enquired, I would start to cry. Even with strangers! However, tried to get off them some years ago-by going cold turkey-ended up with extremely severe brain zaps and total disorientation (and I was still working at that time), so went back on them.
Have other stresses now-am 64 years old, not the best health, however, still want to do many things-and always have ideas on what/how to do new things. Have read since I was a toddler, so reading is a pleasure, but not good as no exercise involved! Am now trying to get off them completely. Now on 75 dose but need to find a doctor who understands the medication correctly. I did not know there was a 37.5 dose-my doctor did not mention that at all-simply wrote a script for lower and left it at that.
I do take vitamin pills, and will try the fish oil-and also the paracetamol as mentioned in the beginning of this blog page. However, must admit I am scared of when I go off them totally-lowering to 75 has been ok-no zaps or anything as yet, and have had disturbed sleep due to being tired and napping during day-I have assumed this is due to my arthritis as I am on my own temporarily and have to do the “hard” labour around house-mowing lawn or washing windows is one activity that sends me to bed after some liniment rub on arms, etc.
What I actually wanted to say is that this site gives me so much confidence-all you wonderful people out there are coping, so I assume I will be ok when I get to my old doctor and get good assistance. Also go to counsellor, but he is not into medication knowledge, but good for understanding my attitudes,problems, and ways of coping. Good luck to us all, and thanks again. Hugs and kisses.

]]> By: Joan http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13501 Joan Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:13:25 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13501 Well got 6hrs uninterupted sleep last night! as usual took a sleeper but only works for about 3hrs. Cannot remember sleeping for this long for yrs ....I thought about not taking a cap but its too soon to ,think if I carry on like this I will be free completly in about a week. Dont get me wrong I feel very tired and slightly sick but slowly improving. Its 9.14 am must do the washing. Well got 6hrs uninterupted sleep last night! as usual took a sleeper but only works for about 3hrs.
Cannot remember sleeping for this long for yrs ….I thought about not taking a cap but its too soon to ,think if I carry on like this I will be free completly in about a week.
Dont get me wrong I feel very tired and slightly sick but slowly improving.
Its 9.14 am must do the washing.

]]> By: Joan http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13493 Joan Fri, 02 Sep 2011 16:11:00 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13493 Well I got too cocky and didnt take one last night. Oh Boy paid for it today,I was so very dizzy could not do a thing sick as a dog as well. So took a 37mg cap( my Doc told me to fill this scipt in) at about 4pm felt slightly better 4hrs later. It was explained that my body has to catch up with my decision as it hasent had a chance to compensate yet as 300 mg is a big dosage to come off too quickly. Might take another cap tomorrow morning if really bad again and see how I go. Cant take Prozac it made me really ill thats why I was put on this rotton Effexor in the first place. Will just have to wait untill my body can come to terms with the low dose then I am off all of it. Isent it rotton to be controlled like this.but I refuse to go back only forward. You are going great... keep it up Well I got too cocky and didnt take one last night. Oh Boy paid for it today,I was so very dizzy could not do a thing sick as a dog as well.
So took a 37mg cap( my Doc told me to fill this scipt in) at about 4pm felt slightly better 4hrs later.

It was explained that my body has to catch up with my decision as it hasent had a chance to compensate yet as 300 mg is a big dosage to come off too quickly.
Might take another cap tomorrow morning if really bad again and see how I go.
Cant take Prozac it made me really ill thats why I was put on this rotton Effexor in the first place.
Will just have to wait untill my body can come to terms with the low dose then I am off all of it.
Isent it rotton to be controlled like this.but I refuse to go back only forward.
You are going great… keep it up

]]> By: Karen http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13492 Karen Fri, 02 Sep 2011 13:34:27 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13492 Day 4 and it's better than I thought it would be. I don't know if it's the prozac or that this time I actually know what's going on. The worst of it is the crying ... where the heck do these tears keep coming from??? I have had minor dizziness and some feeling like there's an elephant sitting on my chest, but it passes and I'm doing this!!!! Joan, keep on going! We'll get through this!!! Day 4 and it’s better than I thought it would be. I don’t know if it’s the prozac or that this time I actually know what’s going on. The worst of it is the crying … where the heck do these tears keep coming from??? I have had minor dizziness and some feeling like there’s an elephant sitting on my chest, but it passes and I’m doing this!!!!

Joan, keep on going! We’ll get through this!!!

]]> By: Joan http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/comment-page-1/#comment-13489 Joan Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:27:48 +0000 http://www.lighteningonline.com/2008/10/20/effexor-withdrawal-the-final-step/#comment-13489 Hi Karen glad I could help.You seem the same type of person as myself and I know you can do it. I went to my Doctor today and she was shocked that I had got so far so quickly alone without a plan of action. I had to as I had to wait a fortnight to see her. She thought it was great the way I was doing it as my mind and body told me how far to go. I overdid it one night and took too many granuals out ....the next day it hit me so I tipped a few granuals (about 10 of them) into my mouth and felt better. Its 1am here in Aus... feel so good now maybe I should not take anything.......Nah better had' its the mornings when I feel dizzy,I must be patient I will get there and so will you. Better go to bed... ni night. Dont get sad get MAD. ps keep us informed of your progress Hi Karen glad I could help.You seem the same type of person
as myself and I know you can do it.
I went to my Doctor today and she was shocked that I had got so far so quickly alone without a plan of action. I had to as I had to wait a fortnight to see her.
She thought it was great the way I was doing it as my mind and body told me how far to go.
I overdid it one night and took too many granuals out ….the next day it hit me so I tipped a few granuals (about 10 of them) into my mouth and felt better.
Its 1am here in Aus… feel so good now maybe I should not take anything…….Nah better had’ its the mornings when I feel dizzy,I must be patient I will get there and so will you.
Better go to bed… ni night.

Dont get sad get MAD.

ps keep us informed of your progress

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